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Japanese "Barbotine" Style Rose Vase by Seyei Toki Co Ltd, or Moriyami Mori - machi of Japan/ Circa 1920 -30's

This one is a bit of a puzzle. It looks like Victorian "barbotine" with applied roses. I thought is was a Noritake mark on the bottom, it was not. I now know this is actually made by Seyei Toki Co Ltd, or Moriyami Mori - machi of Japan around the 1920 -30's. It stands about 8" tall and 5" at it widest point. The roses are not evenly applied and it leaves a empty spot at the back. There is a clear seam running down the sides from the mold. A bit of damage to one leaf tip and a chipped edge as well. You really can't see it unless you tip the vase upside down. A small chip in the dry ring on the base too, can't see that either. All in all in pretty nice shape for this type of piece. It looks to be very old. -Mike-

History of Moriyama Pottery Courtesy of :

Rubell’s Antiques http://rubell.wordpress.com

  " Moriyama Pottery was located in Mori-Machi in Shizuoka Prefecture. Moriyama Pottery was established in 1911 by Hidekichi Nakamura who was taught pottery making by Seison Suzuki. There are currently four studios continuing the Moriyama tradition in and around Mori-machi and they are Seison, Seizon, Nakamura and Tame. There seems to be two primary stamps: one appears to be a crown with a wreath of leaves similar to the wreath found on the Noritake stamp. This stamp is marked “Moriyama Hand Paint Japan.” The other is a bouquet of flowers and is marked “Moriyama Made in Japan.”

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The reference material above is from Gotheborg.com, which should be noted.  I hope you took from the paragraph that it is not a Noritake mark.

 

CBW

Sorry, but it I did not get the pottery info from that site. The info came from Rubell's antiques site.

hi read this may not apply but interesting anyway

http://www.squidoo.com/collect

 For the Love of Nippon - Fake Marks

Part 2 of a 3 Part Series on Nippon


There are over 350 different authentic Nippon marks, so obviously it would be impossible to cover all of the fake backstamps you may find. But there are some that seem to pop up more frequently, one of which is pictured with this article. It depicts an M inside a heart-shaped wreath; obviously fake, since Nippon wreath marks are round.

Here are ten others to watch out for, as identified by Van Patten's ABC's of Collecting Nippon Porcelain:

1. Hourglass inside a wreath; sometimes the wreath is upside-down. (I saw this mark on a chocolate set at an auction; you'd be surprised how many people didn't know it was fake!)
2. K inside wreath; wreath may be upside-down.
3. Sloppy rising sun mark with rays disconnected from sun but connected to each other.
4. Rising sun mark, but the sun isn't filled in.
5. Rising sun mark with unfilled sun and "Nippon" above the sun instead of below it.
6. Larger maple leaf, usually twice the size of an authentic maple leaf mark.
7. Crude RC mark with words "Hand Painted Nippon" forming a circle around the mark; "Hand Painted" should be arched over it with "Nippon" straight across below it.
8. Cherry blossom mark has no leaves and the flower is more like a child's drawing.
9. Maruki mark with "Hand Painted" in a semi-circle instead of straight across.
10. Dolls or figurals with stamped or incised marks instead of gold painted mark.

Once again, your best bet is to compare the marks on items you find to those shown in a good reference book, like Van Patten's. It has saved me many close-calls when a well-painted reproduction almost fooled me out of my hard-earned money. I now carry Van Patten's book with me to estate sales faithfully!

By the same token, there are some very diverse and ... unusual ... Nippon marks whose very designs would make you believe they're fakes. Like the Nippon Tanega symbol with two rooster heads jutting out of a nest; or the T Nippon backstamp with two ho-o birds; or the Kinjo Nippon marks with either one or two fish whose bodies arch over their own heads-all real, all authentic - who'da thought?

My third and final segment on Nippon will discuss fake, reproduction and fantasy pieces. I'll give you a few ways to detect fake Nippon by feel, shape, and decoration. Once you become more familiar with authentic Nippon and get the general idea of what to watch out for, your "radar" will start alerting you to potential fakes before you even open your reference book!

Hi Kathy,

  I had someone look up the mark for me on the "marks4antiques " site. So I'm pretty certain it's not trying to "fake" anyone, but it does look similar to a Noritake mark. Here's a link to Rubell's antiques the talks about this maker and their marks. -Mike-

 http://rubell.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/my-japanese-moriyama-mori-ma...

hey mike - thats was just for interest as there are tons of fakes around as far as i can find moriyama- mori falls under the nippon mark - noritake and nippon are very similar

noritake was established in 1876 and nippon grew out of this ( a collection of makers in japan all under a similar mark)

Noritake Co., Limited, commonly known as "Noritake," grew out of a trading company established in Tokyo and in New York City by the Morimura Brothers in 1876.[1] In 1904, key members of this trading company created the Nippon Toki Kaisha, Ltd. ("the Company that makes Japan's Finest China"), in Japan.[1] Noritake's wares were mostly aimed at the European Market. This forerunner of the modern Noritake Company was founded in the village of Noritake, a small suburb near Nagoya, Japan. After various mergers the company now comes under the umbrella of the Nippon Toki Kaisha, Ltd. Most of the company’s early wares carried one of the various “Nippon” back stamps to indicate its country of origin when exported to Western markets.[1] Today, many collectors agree that the best examples of “Nippon-era” (1891–1921) hand painted porcelain carry a back stamp used by "Noritake" during the Nippon era.[citation needed]

Although consumers and collectors alike have called these wares, "Noritake" (and/or simply, "Nippon") since the late 1920s, the Japanese parent company did not officially change its name to the Noritake Co., Limited until 1981. Evidently, since Noritake is the name of a place, the company was initially prohibited from registering the name as a trade name.[1]

It is not a fake Nippon mark; it is a real Made in Japan mark.

 

CBW

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